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I am a bit sad that I can´t participate here as much as I like to! :( Hope season 3 will be on DVD soon, so I´ll know what you are talking about and can comment on it, too!

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I hate reading spoilers on any show, but yet still find myself reading snippits now and then. A little taster keeps me interested. I cant wait to see the episode in London. I live in Yorkshire but my family is originally from the capital. I hope they dont make the English characters too cockney, because its a terrible stereotype of Londoners.

Found out on Play.com that Bones will be out in England on December 12th. I cant wait to see them again.
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Watch with Kristin's got casting news on Angela's Fiji Fling Grayson "Birimbau" Barasa for 4x01 (personally, I was hoping for Peter Menseh... but this guys got a great CV too).
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I just read that on TVGuide.com they are saying Zach will be back on Bones. Not that that excuses the horrible writing of his character but at least we will get to see him again.

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Not that it has anything to do with spoilers but I have a couple of friends that live in Yorkshire, Al.

I posted a spoiler on the spoiler thread under the Bones section because I never know which one spoilers should be posted under-but that one wasn't TJ related so I stuck it over there.

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Watch with Kristin's got casting news on Angela's Fiji Fling Grayson "Birimbau" Barasa for 4x01 (personally, I was hoping for Peter Menseh... but this guys got a great CV too).


Thanks for the heads-up, Tara. Just went and checked out the guy on IMBD. Yeah, he's good looking--of course. Went to the E! site as well and read the article. Most of the fan responses to the article were rooting for Jack and Angela, and not impressed with the casting of Birimbau. Apparently although good looking, he's not as imposing a figure as described in the sides. Of course I'm still dreading the whole storyline...

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skftex wrote:I posted a spoiler on the spoiler thread under the Bones section because I never know which one spoilers should be posted under-but that one wasn't TJ related so I stuck it over there.
Hi Sharon! I hadn't originally intended a specific Bones spoiler thread, but someone put one up there and it seems to have prospered. It is, however, a bit confusing, since this whole section is about what we are hearing and expecting (and wishing for). I'm putting out a query to everyone now, ever the democratic individual.

Do you wish to see these two threads continue or shall I merge them here? If you do wish to keep both, should we specify what sort of spoilers go in which thread?

begolden wrote:Of course I'm still dreading the whole storyline...
Well, yes. It's just that I can't imagine the material being handled sensitively. It sounds like a slap in the face and a bit of slapstick from an incredibly unrealistic arc. I'm going to have a look at the names of the people who are writing this. I can't believe that they're the same individuals that produced such a subtle season 1.
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http://community.livejournal.com/bones_spoilers/
Note another set of sides has finally surfaced. This is for (wait for it) an ep that seems to be calling itself the Perfect Pieces In The Purple Pond!!! From the 3 sets out so far. one can gather, notably, that Zach is actually still around and helping out a bit (hurray!!) - this case involves people with OCD so a mind like his would be ideal to work on it - and that by this stage J/A is definitely off (boooo!). Zach asks Hodgins about it when he comes to visit him, Jack confirms.
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That's awful! The writers give the audience a good, no GREAT love story, only to just as quickly tear it away. Ah well, at least knowing now will take a bit of the sting off, if the breakup does indeed happen.

ThyneAlone - I haven't caught the other thread you're referring to. If it makes sense to merge the two and isn't messy, I vote for the merge.
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Thanks for that, Jen. Much appreciated.

I know, it's awful isn't it? But I have to say I am not surprised. Come the non-existent wedding and the Lost Husband scenario, my instincts were already screaming that the writers were trying to find a way of separating them just to create tension in the team. I'm sure it would have worked just as well if there had been marriage adjustment tension!
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Hi Steph! I vote for merging too if it isn't too confusing. Its easier if there aren't a lot of threads about the same thing I think. I just wasn't sure if this one was more Jack oriented and that one more Bones in general oriented.

I am thrilled that Zach will still be around...though I'd prefer they hadn't done the whole Gormogon thing to him. Thats the spoiler I put on the other thread. Kind of odd though because the way S3 ended and the comments made afterward by Eric as well as Hart Hanson didn't really seem like that was what they were intending when they wrapped that dumb Gormogon up is it?

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speaking of spoilers, i'm sure some of u know that i'm annoyed at not having seen S3 on TV. Not that i complain about it at all, no way! lol. But a friend of mine asked me if i'd been watching it, i told him i hadn't and he turned round and said, "Oh My God! I can't believe it was Zack!"
I already knew somebody from the team was "One of the bad guys" cause i'd read it somewhere, but i had no idea who it was.
So now i pretty much know the whole story line even without seeing it. :(
Oh well, it wont stop me from buying it on DVD! :D
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I'm so angry with the whole show I could just spit.
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I actually am waiting to see the episodes. It sounds to me like a bump in the road, more than anything final and devastating. Angela seems angry at Sweets, which makes me think it may have been a blow-up over something that got blown out of proportion, based on his pushing her in a direction she might not necessarily have taken on her own.

Real relationships have setbacks. We've never really seen that many--even the wedding that wasn't was treated by both of them as them going a little too fast. But still heading in that general direction. But I think Jack and Angela are in it for the long haul. And I have to believe, based on the fantastic courtship the writers gave us in season 2, that they aren't foolish enough to fall for the "Moonlighting Fallacy" (the mistaken belief that getting couples 'together" is what kills good shows--not shoddy pacing and bad writing. Look at any show with a romantic relationship at its core, from "Cheers" to "Moonlighting". it's always, hands down, cheap plot devices to keep characters apart long past their sell-by date which kill the momentum and drive both casual viewers and longtime fans away.)

I just want to believe that Hart & Co are smarter than that. Particularly after learning the hard way how badly the Zack plot went down, due to pacing problems caused by the shortened season. This is still the same production team that gave us the swings date, accidental excellent home-made porn, and some of the best writing for couples I've ever seen. People don't just lose those skills. Nor do they purposely try and sabotague their own shows. It wouldn't make any sense.

But what writers do need is conflict from within as well as without. And momentum--even if it is two steps forward, three steps back at times--needs to be maintained. Jack and Angela jumped WAY forward with the almost-wedding. It makes total sense to me for them to have a rocky road to a future together, because as crazy as they are about each other, they are also two unique, fiercely intelligent people with real strong drives in both their professional and personal lives. And it’s because they case so much about each other, and have put their hearts on the line for each other, that the stakes are so high. It has never been portrayed as a casual thing between them. So I imagine when they fight, just like when they make love, there are going to be fireworks.

But casting sides don’t give a whole story. We don’t know the throughlines. We don’t know the progression. What we’re getting right now is out of context, and may not even match what we finally get on screen.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t get angry about the show potentially trying to force Jack and Angela apart because they mistakenly believe the fans want things drawn out because it’s the tension we’re in it for. That’s juvenile and facile, and they gotta know we’re smarter than that, surely???

We just need to continually point out that what we’re in it for is characters we love, in strong relationships, and that well-written romantic relationships aren’t about a race to the altar, or digging up constant “roadblocks” to put in people’s way. It was necessary to bring back Birimbau because he was a plot point. Roxy to me is less likely to be a real problem. If anything, I’m guessing Jack and Angela do it to themselves.

Human beings are funny. We create our own roadblocks half the time. Fictional humans? Just need to make sure it’s a tightly plotted story, with the right beats, and emotional payoffs that do the characters and the actors justice.

But I just have faith that Jack and Angela will find a way back to each other, and it will be a story we want to see, with great performances. You don’t just toss this kind of relationship aside lightly. And the sides thus far show neither Jack nor Angela want to be apart. So I have to believe they’ll definitely find their way back to each other. Hopefully before May sweeps :)
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Thoughtful points, Tara. I loved reading that. :D

Personally, I was always surprised that they jumped so quickly into getting married. I see Jack and Angela as unconventional sort of people. Going the traditional church route doesn't necessarily feel like either of them (to me). In fact, getting engaged or married in the traditional sense doesn't seem like something either of them would be driven to do (or want). Make a commitment, yes, absolutely, especially on Jack's part. But follow traditional societal ways? No way. There are other choices.

There's so much they showed that they don't know yet about each other. There's so much they don't know yet about themselves. They can work on that together, and they can work on that apart. Perhaps it's good that they'll have this 'break' -- maybe it will give them a chance to find what it is they truly love about one another, and what is most important to them. Not every couple ends up married in the traditional sense. They may end up finding that's not what they want or what their relationship needs. They may come back together with a better knowledge of each other, and a stronger commitment to what they mean to each other.

Like Tara so wonderfully mentioned, these are the writers who gave us such funny and touching moments throughout the series, between Booth and Brennan, Jack and Angela, Brennan and Angela, Jack and Booth, Zack and Brennan... we know they can do it well. In my belief, it was only season three where things really started to unravel, and as Tara pointed out, the shortened season made them choose a direction for the story arc that they hadn't originally planned. Things get messed up when you're in a hurry and can't/don't necessarily stop to consider the full scope.

I'm not trying to excuse Hart or the other writers/planners. I wish they had chosen to handle things differently. You all know I loathed the Zack-as-Gormagon's-apprentice 'twist.' I felt it did not honor him, the direction he seemed to be taking as a character, or the potential he had for emotional growth. I felt it ended up a device used for shock value, rather than what it could have been: a fascinating demonstration of a character's struggle and descent to illogical, inhuman choices.

Still, Tara's right. They've shown us that they can do it brilliantly and beautifully. That can't be erased so quickly. It's my hope that this season will get back on track, and that the writers will return to what they do best, rich character connections and subtle character development intertwined with interesting mysteries. My fingers are crossed. :mrgreen:
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Yes, thoughtful posts, gals.

But I'm still spitting.
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If this upcoming season doesn't show improvement and a return to the quality of writing and consideration of all the Bones characters, I'll join you in that activity. We'll have a contest to see who can do it the farthest. :mrgreen:

And then we'll go kick Hart's butt. ;)
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LOL, Sherry! A spittin' contest indeed! The butt-kickin' sounds pretty cool too...
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I'm impressed with your reasoning, Tara, and your positive ideas. I am getting slight stirrings of interest for S4 now, thanks for that!

A propos of nothing, I've now merged the Bones spoiler thread with this one. At first glance it doesn't seem to disrupt the flow much, if at all. There is probably enough spoilage in the Bones forum, as people inevitably comment on material others haven't yet seen (but at least thread titles generally indicate that).
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Sides up for 'The Bone That Blew'. It seems Cam has employed Max at the lab to do some kind of science enrichment class with kids. Nothing J/A though.

It appears that the ep that was meant to be no.4 (approx) has now been pushed to 4.02, airing 10th September. As is rightly pointed out (ta genevieve), this could well screw with the order of the various interns trying out for Zach's place. And of course might cause the sudden, as opposed to gradual, split in the Hodgela relationship. But hey, what the heck; they didn't exactly move naturally toward the wedding decision, did they?
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