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ThyneAlone wrote:ANYWAY....
FutonCritic has got Fox's synopses & cast lists up for the coming season. No Eric in the list.
http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=7648
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I know!!! I've been mildly entertaining spoilers via the 206_bones community over on LiveJournal. This one had me confused, but I'm pretty sure I also read something with Hart Hanson where he said Eric wouldn't be in S4 as a main character, but he wanted to "bring him back" from time to time. I might have made that up in my head, though ... ;) ... wishful thinking, maybe??

I am pretty 100% certain Zack isn't Gormogon, though. I think even Eric confirmed that online. I also don't think he'll be the one to die, unless Hart did mention bringing him back, and meant in flashbacks or dream sequences or something. Either way ... it's going to be a sad, sad season without Zack ... the one thing I've loved about THIS current season has been the Jack/Zack scenes!

Oh, and also sad about those cast lists is that Sweets appears to still be around ... :(
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KimberHodgela wrote: I know!!! I've been mildly entertaining spoilers via the 206_bones community over on LiveJournal. This one had me confused, but I'm pretty sure I also read something with Hart Hanson where he said Eric wouldn't be in S4 as a main character, but he wanted to "bring him back" from time to time. I might have made that up in my head, though ... ;) ... wishful thinking, maybe??
No no, you're right. Hart said that we haven't seen the last of Eric so, that means he will be back at some point.
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Well, here is Birimbau directly in your eye, to the point of Hodgins punching him and ending up in a dump truck!

http://community.livejournal.com/bones_spoilers/

At last, the sides for Grayson whatsisface and since we are mourning Zach we haven't leapt on them immediately.

'Fraid he seems to be very much the caricature we thought he would be, BUT it gives us the J/A sides of which S3 starved us. This'll be the reason for the Hodgela split.
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More Hodgins torture! I knew it! Is this episode supposed to come before or after "The Crank in the Shaft," because Hodgins and Angela are still together when Birimbau comes on the scene from what I gather.
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Oh, but wait!!!!

*wiggles*

In the Barassa sides it looks like we'll be feeling the love for Angela and Jack once more...after all, Angela spurns Mr. Wonderful.

Now if we could just stop Hodgins from calling her Angie...

and um... just a nagging question: if the writers are clever enough to call the guy birimbau and have Hodgins be relived that the literal translation of the word is 'little flute' -- when in reality it's an extremely long wind instrument -- why oh why do they expend that kind of energy on an inside joke and play hell with other, more obvious things?

It's just one of those things that make me go hmmm, you know?
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Hey, guys. I've just read some sides involving Jack, Angela, and Birimbau. Apparently it's for the first episode of Season 4. Any thoughts on what happens?
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Hi Eileen!
None of us are enjoying the Hodgins suffering again. This is being discussed in more detail down in the Anticipation forum (the spoiler thread), but I'm perfectly happy to say here How Dare They have anyone throw Jack into a truck! Birimbau doesn't sound like a real person from his dialogue. Not a shred of humour in him. Where Hodgins is mercurial and quick-thinking, I just find Grayson stolid and tedious so far.

D'you think they have called him Grayson for that very slight similarity to Greystoke? Cos I'm thinking they want a kind of Tarzan-figure here!
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ThyneAlone wrote:Hi Eileen!
None of us are enjoying the Hodgins suffering again. This is being discussed in more detail down in the Anticipation forum (the spoiler thread), but I'm perfectly happy to say here How Dare They have anyone throw Jack into a truck! Birimbau doesn't sound like a real person from his dialogue. Not a shred of humour in him. Where Hodgins is mercurial and quick-thinking, I just find Grayson stolid and tedious so far.

D'you think they have called him Grayson for that very slight similarity to Greystoke? Cos I'm thinking they want a kind of Tarzan-figure here!
Oh, sorry, Steph. I don't know my way around here very well yet. I'll head over to the other thread....
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Hey...don't feel you have to move. This is a spoiler thread too, you know! It's great to have your input btw. We have missed you so much!
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I actually "Angie" and "Hodgie" nicknames that popped up in s2. Brennan has always called her "Ange", so it didn't feel too odd. And she doesn't seem to mind--I'd be annoyed on her behalf if Angela had ever asked Hodgins not to call her "Angie" but it seems to be a genuine sign of affection.

I actually caught "Death in the Saddle" for the first time last night (I somehow managed to miss it completely first time through) and had the casting sides for series 4 in the forefront of my mind as I watched. And I think it's likely that when Hodgins is talking about his relationship with one of the grad students, it's likely not to be a death knell at all, but genuine frustration with the situation on a par with Angela's fears regarding the hypnotism thing in "Death in the Saddle".

I do worry a little about the writers throwing so many obstacles in front of Angela and Hodgins getting married, because I actually think that the steady progress forward and the knowledge that they being married will not change how engaging their stories are, or how much we invest in them as characters one iota. Because it's not about the "payoff" for me as a viewer at all. It's about watching the two of them on the journey. And married isn't the end of a journey--it's the start of a brand new one, which brings TONS of story with it. I think that knowing the Grayson story was meant to be played out in s3 helps give me perspective I wouldn't have had, if I'd come into s4 not knowing a lot of the production background about how the arcs in s3 were meant to go. I still cut them a ginormous amount of slack, for having to wrap up as much as they could in only 2 episodes. So it doesn't feel like the producers are playing cat-and-mouse, prolonguing the resolution of the Fiji Marriage Plot.

As for Hodgins and Grayson fighting--I think Jack will come out on top precisely because he and Angela love each other madly and for Hodgins, Angela is worth fighting for. It's not a possessive marking territory thing. She's not a posession, or a prize for one of them to win. It's genuinely believing that he'll lose the one thing that's precious to him if he doesn't fight for her. And being a guy, I don't think he realises that there's not at risk of losing her. He's probably threatened by Grayson because Grayson loves Angela and is stunningly gorgeous. And what geek hasn't looked in the mirror and thought "why would anyone pick me, over an Adonis?"

(other than the part where he has more money than God, but that would play into it too--because he wants to be loved for who he is, not the Trust Fund)

He probably doesn't have the kind of self-esteem to feel comfortable and secure in the knowledge that Angela loves him and chooses him 24/7. Which is why he needs the reminders. And the gentle reminder not to be a jackass. Getting dumped into the back of a garbage truck? I see it as a gentle reminder not to be a jackass and to trust in Angela and have a little faith in her, and their relationship. Not as the writers torturing Hodgins. And we love him, but he's still a guy and he'ss till going to do seriously dumb shit, because even the nicest guy on the planet will do moronic thigns blinded by a haze of testosterone, at least ocne or twice in their lives.

And this is also the guy whose last fiancee dumped him and married his best friend. And then cheated on said best friend. He has issues. I like that they're remembering those issues, and that backstory informs his character.

Rewatching parts of s2 last night, I noticed that despite Jack making the first moves (asking her out, asking her to move in, asking her to marry him) it has consisetly been Angela setting the pace of their relationship. Because for the first time, there are real emotional stakes, and she's ultra-conservative and cautious because she has something to protect. Unlike all her previous relationships (that we're heard about) she and Jack aren't casual. It means something to her, which is something I get the feeling she's never had before--because Kirk was the closest she came, and she still held back out of fear. With Hodgins, she held back because she was afraid of getting hurt, but she's given so much despite that fear. I think that's the lesson she learnt from Kirk's death. That being loved is terrifying, but loving in return is even more terrifying--but can be worth it.

And it's the fear to me that signals they have something real. Because you don't worry about messy office romances for the sake of being uncomfortable working with someone if they fizzle. You do genuinely worry about getting your heart broken only if your heart is truly at risk. And that's what sold me. Both of them are risking their hearts, in a very real way. Nothing casual about it. That's what makes them special too: the fact that Jack works very hard to be a great guy and the guy he believes Angela deserves, and he puts her first. He's, like, the perfect boyfriend. Oz from Buffy perfect. Wash from Firefly perfect. But that doesn't mean he's always right. It just means I find his characterisation consistent, even when he's wrong, and consistently endearing and charming. He drops the smarm and hits you with the sincere, and suddenly he went from "that cute Jack Hodgins who works in the lab" to "okay, wow. That was, like, stupidly hot" purely because of the truth in the performance and writing.

Okay, he bought her $3000 perfume after she'd asked him fit hey could stay just friends, but that's normal. He's a guy. Guys do stuff like that. And he's Hodgins. One of the things I love about him is how he doesn't give up. He looks for ways to say what he really feels in whatever way that he will be heard and understood, despite fear of rejection. In a totally non-stalkery way. That's part of what I love about the character. He's not afraid to put himself at risk, and he's not afraid of being who he is without apology. Whether that's not being afraid to cry, or giving Booth a bear hug, or asking Angela out because he can't imagine not at least trying. Bravado and all.

(plus it's cute when he gets called on the bullshit bravado he uses to cover his insecurities. The whole "That was a one time offer, baby" "Really? Huh." "What--no--what?" in The Girl With the Curl just charmed the pants off me. Seriously.)
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I am a bit sad that I can´t participate here as much as I like to! :( Hope season 3 will be on DVD soon, so I´ll know what you are talking about and can comment on it, too!

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I hate reading spoilers on any show, but yet still find myself reading snippits now and then. A little taster keeps me interested. I cant wait to see the episode in London. I live in Yorkshire but my family is originally from the capital. I hope they dont make the English characters too cockney, because its a terrible stereotype of Londoners.

Found out on Play.com that Bones will be out in England on December 12th. I cant wait to see them again.
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Watch with Kristin's got casting news on Angela's Fiji Fling Grayson "Birimbau" Barasa for 4x01 (personally, I was hoping for Peter Menseh... but this guys got a great CV too).
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I just read that on TVGuide.com they are saying Zach will be back on Bones. Not that that excuses the horrible writing of his character but at least we will get to see him again.

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Not that it has anything to do with spoilers but I have a couple of friends that live in Yorkshire, Al.

I posted a spoiler on the spoiler thread under the Bones section because I never know which one spoilers should be posted under-but that one wasn't TJ related so I stuck it over there.

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Watch with Kristin's got casting news on Angela's Fiji Fling Grayson "Birimbau" Barasa for 4x01 (personally, I was hoping for Peter Menseh... but this guys got a great CV too).


Thanks for the heads-up, Tara. Just went and checked out the guy on IMBD. Yeah, he's good looking--of course. Went to the E! site as well and read the article. Most of the fan responses to the article were rooting for Jack and Angela, and not impressed with the casting of Birimbau. Apparently although good looking, he's not as imposing a figure as described in the sides. Of course I'm still dreading the whole storyline...

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skftex wrote:I posted a spoiler on the spoiler thread under the Bones section because I never know which one spoilers should be posted under-but that one wasn't TJ related so I stuck it over there.
Hi Sharon! I hadn't originally intended a specific Bones spoiler thread, but someone put one up there and it seems to have prospered. It is, however, a bit confusing, since this whole section is about what we are hearing and expecting (and wishing for). I'm putting out a query to everyone now, ever the democratic individual.

Do you wish to see these two threads continue or shall I merge them here? If you do wish to keep both, should we specify what sort of spoilers go in which thread?

begolden wrote:Of course I'm still dreading the whole storyline...
Well, yes. It's just that I can't imagine the material being handled sensitively. It sounds like a slap in the face and a bit of slapstick from an incredibly unrealistic arc. I'm going to have a look at the names of the people who are writing this. I can't believe that they're the same individuals that produced such a subtle season 1.
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http://community.livejournal.com/bones_spoilers/
Note another set of sides has finally surfaced. This is for (wait for it) an ep that seems to be calling itself the Perfect Pieces In The Purple Pond!!! From the 3 sets out so far. one can gather, notably, that Zach is actually still around and helping out a bit (hurray!!) - this case involves people with OCD so a mind like his would be ideal to work on it - and that by this stage J/A is definitely off (boooo!). Zach asks Hodgins about it when he comes to visit him, Jack confirms.
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That's awful! The writers give the audience a good, no GREAT love story, only to just as quickly tear it away. Ah well, at least knowing now will take a bit of the sting off, if the breakup does indeed happen.

ThyneAlone - I haven't caught the other thread you're referring to. If it makes sense to merge the two and isn't messy, I vote for the merge.
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Thanks for that, Jen. Much appreciated.

I know, it's awful isn't it? But I have to say I am not surprised. Come the non-existent wedding and the Lost Husband scenario, my instincts were already screaming that the writers were trying to find a way of separating them just to create tension in the team. I'm sure it would have worked just as well if there had been marriage adjustment tension!
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